I just happened upon this graphic I made a couple years ago to illustrate the bold-faced gall with which the first prophet of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (the Mormon Church) altered God’s Word. There was no explanation or apology for needing 500+ words to “translate” these 2 verses.
It does not take a skilled linguist to see that Joseph Smith played fast and loose with the Bible when it suited him to do so.
The discussion of the Trinity between Rob Bowmen and Shawn McCraney is available below (starting at about 18 minutes 55 seconds in).
Rob Bowman wrote a follow up on Facebook which I have reproduced below.
As announced yesterday, last night I was a guest on Shawn McCraney’s TV program “Heart of the Matter” to discuss the doctrine of the Trinity. In this post I’m going to review what has happened and give my take on where things stand at the moment.
Shawn is a former Mormon who became “born again” while he was still in the LDS Church. He eventually came out, went to pastoral training school, and began a teaching and evangelistic ministry focused on reaching Mormons. That ministry evolved into an informal church that is rather out of the mainstream of evangelical church practice. He published a book entitled “Born Again Mormon” that was later retitled “I Was a Born Again Mormon.” By all accounts Shawn’s ministry has been unusually successful not merely in drawing people out of Mormonism but in leading them to trust in Jesus Christ alone for salvation and to experience the new birth in Christ.
During the past year or so, Shawn has offered up his own views on various doctrinal issues and spoken very critically of various evangelical doctrines and movements. This development came to a head a few weeks ago when he did a couple of programs disparaging the doctrine of the Trinity. Shawn referred to the doctrine as “garbage,” as a man-made doctrine defined as a way of controlling people, and argued that the doctrine is more likely to have originated in paganism from the triads of gods in ancient religions than from the Bible. His alternative explanation at least sounded like a form of modalism, although he insisted it was not.
After discussing the matter with my co-workers at the Institute for Religious Research, I emailed Shawn privately and expressed the desire to meet with him in order to get to know him personally and to discuss doctrine with him. Shawn responded very positively, welcomed the interaction, and we made arrangements. In the meantime, there were some swift and in some cases rather sharp responses to Shawn’s statements online, and this was followed up by a program last Thursday night in which Shawn and some of the local Christian ministry leaders who had criticized Shawn had an unfortunately vitriolic confrontation.
I flew from Grand Rapids to Salt Lake City on Monday and met with Shawn for four hours. We made a very good personal connection, frankly recognizing that we are in temperament and experience radically different kinds of men, and had a good, constructive first discussion of the doctrinal issues. Shawn invited me to be a guest on his program Tuesday night, which I did. We met again today for a few hours and talked some more. I was blessed to have an opportunity to present a solid if brief explanation of the biblical basis of the Trinity and to answer a number of Shawn’s objections in front of his audience. Afterwards I spoke with people in attendance for over an hour, and it appears that the event was helpful.
What was said on last night’s program is of course public knowledge. One thing I said at the end, in response to a caller’s question, is that I consider Shawn a brother in Christ. I stand by that statement, but I also don’t want to be misunderstood. Whether Shawn is a believer, and whether he is a sound teacher, are two different questions. Some of the things Shawn has been teaching are in error, and it is important that he come to see that and make the necessary corrections. As a teacher, he is answerable to God and is held to a stricter standard with regard to what he says than other believers (James 3:1). Some of the things he said can even be fairly labeled as heretical, though he has also said things that contradicted those seemingly heretical statements. My assessment is that Shawn’s theology is confused and otherwise lacking largely because he has never studied Christian theology at a serious level and because, probably in overreaction to the programmed instruction and extrabiblical texts imposed in Mormonism, he has tried to develop his understanding by reading only the Bible. Reading the Bible without studying works on Christian theology has certainly brought Shawn a lot closer to orthodox Christianity than he was as a Mormon, and it’s certainly a far better extreme. It is, however, an extreme that has kept him from benefiting from the wealth of Christian reflection and teaching on God’s word by those who have studied the Bible for centuries before Shawn or I came along. The result is that some of Shawn’s views are at least heterodox (other than the classical, orthodox Christian doctrines). That having been said, I consider him a brother in Christ because I see evidence that God dramatically changed his life, brought him out of Mormonism, and gave him a genuine appreciation of the grace freely bestowed through the gospel. While I don’t know definitively the state of anyone else’s soul, I am inclined to give someone the benefit of the doubt and to accept him as a brother unless forced to conclude otherwise. And I really do think Shawn is a Christian, saved by God’s grace, even though some of his doctrine is seriously flawed.
Theologically, Shawn’s thinking on the Trinity appears muddled. It is probably in flux, perhaps even more so after our discussions, which may be a step in the right direction. He has agreed that he needs to retract publicly and specifically some egregious critical remarks he made in recent weeks on the subject. His explanations at times seemed modalistic, but as we talked he backed away from those explanations, in particular his description of the Logos (Word) as one of many manifestations of God. Shawn rejects the eternal Sonship of Christ, preferring the formulation of the eternal Word. In this regard he is similar to Walter Martin, but unlike Martin, Shawn is uncomfortable designating the Word as a person. For that matter, he is uncomfortable using the term “persons” at all in reference to God, because of its association in Mormonism with physical human beings. Again, his own background and his focus on reaching Mormons have in his case led to some difficulty in coming to terms with orthodox Christian doctrine. This is a problem that I hope can be overcome as our dialogue continues. Meanwhile, at some point I do plan to make available in written form some responses to specific issues raised by Shawn regarding the Trinity, not to attack him personally but to provide substantive responses for the benefit of Shawn and others. I should mention that I have already told Shawn that I expected to do this, and he was supportive of me doing so.
I would appreciate the prayers of my fellow brothers and sisters in Christ for what follows. Please pray that Shawn will have constructive meetings with local Christian leaders, including some that have been legitimately concerned about his teachings, and that they will develop respect and trust. Please pray that future discussions between Shawn and me will be fruitful. Please also pray that Shawn will be successful going forward in acknowledging past errors and in developing a sound understanding of the theology of Scripture. All of this will be a process; it will not happen overnight. Please pray with me that everyone involved will listen to one another, be gracious and patient with one another, and be willing to learn and to change and even to repent where needed. And if you have some concerns or grievances with regards to anything I have said, please feel free to come to me with them.
I wanted to title this post something along the lines of “links and videos that will provide the background to the difficulties that Shawn McCraney is facing over the charge of being a modalist” but that isn’t very catchy or succinct. I am friends with Rob Sivulka, fellow Biola alumni and president of Courageous Christians United (A song will play in a pop-up window when you open his site, be warned). I was turned on to this ongoing discussion by a blog he recently posted: Shawn McCraney is a Heretic and Needs Adult Supervision. His article, much like the title, is direct and pulls no punches.
Rob (and other Utah ministers) have been characterized as going out of their way to “attack” McCraney, however I do not believe this to be the case. Shawn hosts a free, internet-based show where he regularly discusses theological topics, especially as they relate to Mormonism. An evangelical hosting an apologetic/evangelistic outreach to Mormons would usually be right up Sivulka’s alley (Rob has been involved in missions activity in Utah for over 20 years), but theology matters. It matters when you witness to Mormons and it matters when you fellowship with other professing Christians. So when a professing Christian abandons a central theological tenant (God’s triune nature) it is no surprise that these men wanted to respond to it.
In Sivulka’s article Shawn is quoted and links are provided. I noticed that one of the links goes to a video that has since been set to private (the video settings are controlled by Heart of the Matter, i.e. Shawn McCraney). The videos linked to are two shows about the trinity:
Episode 380 “God part 1″
Episode 381 “God part 2″
As of my posting this both videos are publicly viewable (I have copies for future reference should that ever change). To address the responses of Sivulka, McCraney hosted an “inquisition” episode which followed the following format. [Photo credit: James Thompson]
And the Video
I have read one well crafted account of the “Inquisition” by an attendee, Shawn McCraney is Probably Not A Heretic.
I personally threw in my 2 cents in a YouTube comment. An brief discussion ensued.
Tonight, a staunch defender of the Trinity, Rob Bowman, will be a guest on Heart of the Matter to discuss the trinity and modalism with McCraney, the event will be broadcasted online for free [event].
So, is Shawn McCraney a modalist? The evidence, in my opinion, seems to indicate that he is. As far back as 2012, forum postings on the HOTM website indicate that viewers were concerned that Shawn was teaching Modalism [read the forum post titled Shawn's description of the Trinity] He does not like the word “trinity,” and has clear misgivings about aspects of the doctrine behind the word. I appreciate his openness to allow disagreement and dialog on his show, and my prayer is that clarity will be gained on all sides as a result of this ongoing dialog.
If McCraney is a modalist then he can not be a Christian. This is not a personal attack, it is the biblical result of denying God’s self-revelation about himself. I sincerely hope that McCraney is not a modalist and wish him the best. I am praying for him and for those he is discussing the matter with.
UPDATE 2pm, 2/25/2014
I was directed to a post on Beggar’s Bread which is definitely worth checking out: The Trial(s) of Shawn McCraney (Part One)
Christian Apologist, Rob Bowman Jr., posted the following on his Facebook timeline this morning [link].
The link he used leads to a flyer for the most recent online show (not tonight’s special episode).
Recently Shawn McCraney has come under some heat for shunning the use of the word “Trinity” and explaining God’s nature in a manner favorable to modalism. McCraney, a former Mormon, has hosted Heart of the Matter for eight years [About page].
Rob Bowman is the Director of Research at the Institute for Religious Research [Bio page]. Bowman wrote an excellent book [Why You Should Believe in the Trinity] defending the doctrine of the trinity against a widely circulated Jehovah’s Witness pamphlet.
The event will stream live at 8pm, Mountain Time. It will also be available on YouTube. To view live, visit HOTM Live. There is no charge.
One of my acquaintances from the time I spent as associate editor for Hope’s Reason: A Journal of Apologetics has published a new book on how to effectively engage a Jehovah’s Witness in meaningful conversation.
Although it is a response to What Does the Bible Really Teach? it really is a guide to having a good conversation with Jehovah’s Witnesses without getting sidetrack on the nonessential issues. (from 1peter315.wordpress.com)
If you, like me, have had the opportunity to share the gospel with members of this cult you know how rewarding it can be. But due to our vast theological and hermeneutical differences, it is all too easy to become entangled in sub-discussions and rabbit-trails. In The Watchtower and the Word: A Guide to Conversations With Jehovah’s Witnesses, Stephen J. Bedard will help equip you with the skills to keep your conversation on topic.
The book is available at Lulu.com.